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Monday, July 21, 2014

Unfiltered - 18,000 Microsoft Jobs Gone... Eventually?

For those who want to continue unmoderated discussion of the original posting:

18,000 Microsoft Jobs Gone... Eventually?

96 Comments:

  • Ex-sales here, who left two years ago, with some advice for those newly outside Microsoft.

    1. LEARN SOMETHING ELSE. I recently saw a comment about the difficulty of hiring Windows Admins, because all the young guys are using Linux. That comment applies right across the stack. C++, Python, whatever instead of C#. PostgreSQL instead of SQL Server. Linux instead of Windows. Rather than being seen as a store of deep expertise, you need to demonstrate that you're not just a one-trick (Microsoft) pony.

    2. LEARN TO SELL. Microsoft has been too dominant, for too long, and its sales force has become soft and lazy. To succeed outside Microsoft you need to prospect new accounts and compete with incumbent vendors. No more order taking (true-ups) from a few MAL accounts.

    3. LEARN TO WORK. You built up a lot of bad habits at Microsoft, probably doing less than 2-3 hours of real work each day. You need more hours of face time with more customer executives, especially in the business, and that means you can't spend your time in Outlook and Lync.

    4. LEARN TO TEAM. You're going to be distrusted in your new company. Everyone knows about the snake pit created by the rating system and cronyism, and they'll be wary that you'll bring it with you. Work with your colleagues, not against them.

    5. ENJOY FREEDOM. Buy an Android phone, or an iPad, or a MacBook. Install Linux Mint on your home PCs. See what you've been missing all these years. Get the experiences your customers are having, and finally understand why they grew distant from you.

    Good luck!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 21, 2014 at 10:18 PM  

  • Do not post racist comments against Indians. It is prohibited by law. It is illegal.

    - Rajeev

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 21, 2014 at 10:19 PM  

  • THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 21, 2014 at 11:14 PM  

  • Mini should outsource moderation to an Indian company. There would be less pubes in the comments.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 12:28 AM  

  • Dear MiniMSFT Forum,

    I've always read about unfiltered comment threads, but I never thought it would happen to me until . . .

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM  

  • little off topic but, MS hasn't gotten any of my money and many others a while because of products going down hill, anyone feel like naming the person(s) who are responsible for wrecking Visual studio staring with VS2012 on up?
    if anyone deserves to go it them!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 4:40 AM  

  • Moderation is for Nazis.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 6:47 AM  

  • check out the people at this indian run web site gloating!
    http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-bids-farewell-18000-employees-and-possibly-its-nokia-x-lineup
    http://www.winbeta.org/news/despite-being-biggest-job-cut-microsofts-history-impact-india-very-very-small

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 8:40 AM  

  • From that first winbeta link:

    "Nadella says that he will share more information on July 22ed earning calls."

    "July 22ed"?

    "earning calls"?

    Yep, definitely an Indian author. This lack of attention to detail and quality is common.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 8:57 AM  

  • dat is sum funny shit dude
    !,lmafo, shouldn't dat be 22and dude?
    how bout the comments?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM  

  • Ah sweet sweet moderation

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 10:12 AM  

  • ...not that I usually like moderation, but the signal to noise ratio in the main thread was seriously getting out of hand. Blogger needs some better filtering mechanisms. Slashdot might have the right idea - if you're looking for only "insightful" or "funny" comments, you'd be able to. If you're pissed that someone just wasted 30 seconds of your life, you can save someone else the wasted life.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 10:42 AM  

  • So much of the original thread was Sad ,and lots of offensive along with plain weird mixed in with the informative. a little humors not gonna kill anyone!

    I like to hear screwed up Visual studio post 2012, if their are any insiders who haven't been turn off by now.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 11:13 AM  

  • "how bout the comments?"

    This comment has been deleted.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 12:26 PM  

  • Please do not post anti-Indian comments. This is illegal.

    - Maharana Pratap

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 8:13 PM  

  • Please do not spread hatred.

    - Ran Laxmi Bai

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM  

  • Please study algorithms and respect everyone.

    -Suresh Raina

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 8:15 PM  

  • Please do not abuse Indians.

    - Maria Sharapova Tendulkar

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 8:16 PM  

  • Please concentrate on the World Cup and not on toilet cups.

    - Mahendra Singh Dhoni

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 22, 2014 at 8:18 PM  

  • Moderation kills discussion ... look at the main thread no longer discussing. Basically i would say being uncivilized on forums is better as it allows people to vent in this bad phase. venting is not bad, i am an Indian and all the racial tension against Indians is not bothering me, it just gives me a better perspective of the reality and allows us to understand these issues better. Moderation for removing names makes sense, it would be unwise for folks to put names of anyone.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 9:20 AM  

  • "add me to the list of guys who hooked up with a msft indian wife. petite and tight and took my cock well. she didn't swallow so i'll never forget the massive load i delivered to her face and hair, and it was really hot how my batter contrasted with her skin. so don't overlook that and give it a shot. i did and she took it well."

    Are you really serious ????? Any more such real stories ??? Don't lie folks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 9:29 AM  

  • " i am an Indian and all the racial tension against Indians is not bothering me, it just gives me a better perspective of the reality and allows us to understand these issues better."

    It is fun and games till Bubba takes this shit literally and molests your Indian wife in your suburban neighborhood. If you are a minority and feel this kind of self-flagellation is needed, go to some hick town in midwest or Arizona. Otherwise, you are just another troll. We live in the Northwest to get away from this kind of racial hate.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 9:51 AM  

  • "Are you really serious ????? Any more such real stories ??? Don't lie folks."

    Whats the problem Bubba? Not enough fap material on the internet?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM  

  • Random race war isn't real discussion either. It's actually kind of cool to both have the main thread and this unmoderated crf part. Go to the main branch for serious stuff, come to the side branch to waste your time xD

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 10:15 AM  

  • I have been laid off multiple times and have made many comebacks. Do not lose hope.

    - Ishant Sharma

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 11:25 AM  

  • I was laid off in 1996 and could never make a comeback. Life Sucks.

    -Vinod Kambli

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM  

  • I received a Gold Star in 2007 and 2011. Last year, Mahi gave me a 5.0. On Thursday, I was laid off. Hoping to make a comeback.

    - Yuvraj Singh

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 8:13 PM  

  • I was laid off in 2012 and I am now the founder of www.careerover.com.

    -Harbhajan Singh

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 8:15 PM  

  • I was selected into Bench Program and then laid off in 2013. Too much politics.

    -Gautam Gambhir

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 8:19 PM  

  • I am Russian and I proudly report to Ganesh.

    - Yuri Nate

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 23, 2014 at 8:24 PM  

  • Why no layoffs in what used to be OSD. Windows has big cuts and makes tons of money. Bing/MSN/ADS still losing money but no layoffs? Groups where Satya came from have minimal (C+E, ASG). Nokia to 0 made more sense as I doubt it will every show a profit.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 24, 2014 at 7:43 PM  

  • anyone feel like naming the person(s) who are responsible for wrecking Visual studio staring with VS2012 on up?
    Sinofsky.

    "He and his Dev-focused PMs (the same group that brought sidebar apps for Vista) forced DevDiv to embrace Metro and their crappie WinRT API. WinJS...seriously!?!"

    yeah I already knew that but how about the names of the Sinofsky PM's that are still @MS how didnt fix it after he left, I need someone new to hate! I used to beat Sinofsky in my mind when to help me get to sleep then switched to ballmer, need help please

    I doubt anyone from MS is really watching IPs , though that warning has seems to have clammed people up, come on I want an answer!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 25, 2014 at 10:27 AM  

  • Fear can be both a powerful motivator and demotivator, and usually for all the wrong reasons.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 25, 2014 at 12:51 PM  

  • The fear of IP's is overblown. If you post from MS, then its the same IP for everyone.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 28, 2014 at 6:52 AM  

  • The problem with moderation is that it never happens.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 28, 2014 at 8:25 AM  

  • Now that Mini has shut off the comment flow, is there an alternative site with discussion about this?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 29, 2014 at 2:23 AM  

  • "...is there an alternative site with discussion about this?"

    What's wrong with right here?

    I'll start. I took my kid to swimming lessons yesterday at an eastside swim facility and I was astounded by the complete lack of social grace demonstrated by the Indian people. I was seated on a
    bench that is next to the pool where parents can sit and watch their kids. Two Indian guys came up and stood between the bench and the pool blocking the view. I didn't see my kid taking lessons but I did have a great view of two guys' asses for the duration of the lesson.

    Hyderabad called. They want their idiots back.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 29, 2014 at 1:06 PM  

  • mini got fired.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 29, 2014 at 8:45 PM  

  • I mean mini where are you .. did you get fired ? No new messages on minmsft !!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 29, 2014 at 8:45 PM  

  • Mini is just bored with having to deal with trolls on his blog all day.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM  

  • I went to lunch the other day at Building 112. They had Indian food at both the entrée station and the local restaurant station. At first I was "WTF..." but it all makes sense to me now.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 30, 2014 at 8:05 PM  

  • >> Mini is just bored with having to deal with trolls on his blog all day.

    Probably fapping to all of the posts that we're not getting to see.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 31, 2014 at 12:00 AM  

  • Ha ha.

    Bellevue Reporter: Restaurant closed by health department

    Aug 1, 2014 at 4:07PM

    Oh! India located at 15600 N.E. Eighth St., Bellevue was closed by Public Health at 3 p.m. July 31 for the following food safety violations:

    * Potentially hazardous foods at unsafe temperatures.
    * Improper cooling of potentially hazardous food.
    * Foods not protected from cross contamination.
    * Poor personal hygiene practices - handwashing.
    * Equipment/utensils not properly sanitized.
    * Handwashing facilities unavailable.
    * Toxic items not properly stored.

    The establishment was reopened at 12:30 p.m. Aug. 1 after the inspector confirmed that all issues had been resolved.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 2, 2014 at 11:33 AM  

  • Is it true that some Israeli political parties have simply replaced 2 words in the Nazism platform?

    Aryan -> Jew
    Jew -> Palestinian

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM  

  • When the Nazis killed 6 million Jews, the world pretended to be "shocked" but let the killing continue. People haven't changed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM  

  • Look, nobody has time to worry about mass killings when they can't find their phone charger. It's not like you can save the world when your phone is out of batteries.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 2, 2014 at 3:43 PM  

  • This thread makes me sad.

    We had an interesting discussion happening, and mini doesn't love us enough to properly moderate it :(

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 3, 2014 at 4:03 PM  

  • "Look, nobody has time to worry about mass killings when they can't find their phone charger. It's not like you can save the world when your phone is out of batteries."

    completely with you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 4, 2014 at 9:45 PM  

  • "Probably fapping to all of the posts that we're not getting to see."

    hahaha ... in his office room with doors closed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 4, 2014 at 9:48 PM  

  • Now I understand why Mini is basically retired. It must be so frustrating to moderate this racist BS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 21, 2014 at 7:46 PM  

  • test

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at August 28, 2014 at 11:44 PM  

  • any news about sept. 15 rumors?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 2, 2014 at 7:56 PM  

  • nopes .. mini was fired .
    sep 15th is coming guys ... big wave , cover you backs.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM  

  • Next wave : Sept 18th asg , office

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 9, 2014 at 11:04 PM  

  • http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/rejection.aspx

    People often respond to rejection by seeking inclusion elsewhere. “If your sense of belonging and self-esteem have been thwarted, you’ll try to reconnect”. Excluded people actually become more sensitive to potential signs of connection, and they tailor their behavior accordingly. “They will pay more attention to social cues, be more likable, more likely to conform to other people and more likely to comply with other people’s requests”.

    Yet others may respond to rejection with anger and lashing out. If someone’s primary concern is to reassert a sense of control, he or she may become aggressive as a way to force others to pay attention.

    What causes some people to become friendlier in response to rejection, while others get angry? According to DeWall, even a glimmer of hope for acceptance can make all the difference. In a pair of experiments, he and his colleagues found that students who were accepted by no other participants in group activities behaved more aggressively — feeding hot sauce to partners who purportedly disliked spicy foods, and blasting partners with uncomfortably loud white noise through headphones — than students accepted by just one of the other participants

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 16, 2014 at 12:24 PM  

  • Ask her out to coffee. You know you always wanted to. Now is your chance. But no, if you make this about getting what you want, you'll fail. It's about making sure she still feels accepted during the hard times.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM  

  • If you get terminated for sexual harassment, you will lose some benefits.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM  

  • Any indications where the axe is going to fall this time around?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 16, 2014 at 10:49 PM  

  • I'm thinking testers outside the Windows org, and it's no secret that testers are generally more attractive than developers.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 17, 2014 at 5:25 AM  

  • Two more board members bailing out and it looks like 9/18 may be doomsday for some employees.

    Seattle Times: 2 to retire from Microsoft board; more layoff notices coming

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 17, 2014 at 9:47 AM  

  • any update on the layoffs? is it primarily SDETs in ASG (continuing the previous trend of SDETs in OSG)?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 11:56 AM  

  • Guess they had to cover the bill for Minecraft somehow..."Creepers gonna creep." Meanwhile, 2K people now have to go home and tell their families they're jobless, try to understand COBRA, and start job-hunting.

    Most of the kids in my neighborhood stopped playing Minecraft more than a year ago...and now its founder has cash for new competitive ventures.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM  

  • According to http://www.geekwire.com/2014/microsoft-cutting-2100-jobs-today-next-phase-major-layoffs/ there's going to be 747 in the land of Boeing.

    Apparently not limited to test - maybe eventually we'll have devs doing everything in the company - including security patrols, cafeteria staffing, and janitorial services.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM  

  • What we know so far- MSR in the valley has been shutdown, Fargo campus (Dynamics?) has been heavily hit, and TWC has seen some cuts as well, and has been split into two groups, absorbed by LCA and C&E.

    I see a couple of trends here - non-Redmond campuses are slowly being closed, Research and Security are now second class citizens in the "Platform and Productivity" world

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 4:13 PM  

  • "Most of the kids in my neighborhood stopped playing Minecraft more than a year ago..."

    Amen to that. Roblox is where it's at now. Minecraft is so... Windows.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 5:53 PM  

  • ASG - one drive/share point, mostly test, a few PM's, just when there were in the process of moving test to engineers(devs)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 6:58 PM  

  • Office core also saw some hits to PMs and test.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 7:51 PM  

  • Any h1b/Indian/Chinese scum among the laid off or once again just Americans?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 9:33 PM  

  • Layoffs in SVC at old Hotmail team as well, mostly former test people as expected.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 10:15 PM  

  • Rough year to be a test person. *sigh*

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 10:32 PM  

  • People from India laid off, but no American Indians laid off, so yeah, no real Americans were laid off that I know of.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 18, 2014 at 11:59 PM  

  • 9:33PM - yes non-Americans were laid off. Notable cuts included a brilliant Indian mathematician in Research that the US was lucky to get its hands on. Hope that makes you feel good about America's future.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 19, 2014 at 12:32 AM  

  • If cuts are totally random why are no devs being hit?

    Does the same person that made the other choices believe that all devs are amazing? A look at a current builds of Windows would tell that not true.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 19, 2014 at 4:55 AM  

  • Is this pretty much the only please on the internet where this gets discussed. is there an alternatvie. Original minimsft not havging any new comments and this having ~10 new commments after last round of layofs make me think that folks took the discussion somewhere else?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 20, 2014 at 6:18 PM  

  • Is this pretty much the only please on the internet where this gets discussed. is there an alternatvie. Original minimsft not havging any new comments and this having ~10 new commments after last round of layofs make me think that folks took the discussion somewhere else?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 20, 2014 at 6:19 PM  

  • http://www.reddit.com/r/microsoft/comments/2gs650/microsoft_cutting_2100_jobs_today_in_next_phase/

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM  

  • You can run. But, you can't hide. Eventually the world will be beige. We took your jobs and we will hump your daughters. - Comedian Russell Peters

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 23, 2014 at 8:55 AM  

  • Eventually we'll all be cyborgs.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 23, 2014 at 1:51 PM  

  • Skype in Europe also hit as well in Q1. At the start of the layoffs Skype division was told no firings to be expected... in FY14. Notices handed out first week of September. A few products shut down, others moved over to Redmond. I missed this wave but not waiting for the next one, already interviewing at other companies.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at September 27, 2014 at 4:31 AM  

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    By Blogger maria, at October 20, 2014 at 10:06 PM  

  • Goodbye Lisa Brummel.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 10, 2014 at 6:38 PM  

  • Nice effort done by sharing an important information. Download Java Runtime Environment 8.0 build 25 (64-bit) for free.

    By Blogger Pernille Juels, at November 19, 2014 at 2:59 AM  

  • A CEO, 22years veteran young and technically focussed. None thought he would be "Downsizer". Some new joinees of 2014 were the worst hit as upper folks escaped axe. CEO gave hopes to even newly acquired Nokia employees too. Later to be dumped in worst Layoffs the industry has ever seen in near future.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 26, 2014 at 8:41 AM  

  • Bought an Xbox One for my kid for Christmas and we tried setting it up yesterday.

    That has got to be the very worst out of box experience I have ever had with a product. It took hours from plugging in the device until we were actually able to (barely) play a game.

    My kid has 6+ games for the Xbox One and so far he can only play one of them. Everything else hangs or needs to be downloaded or updated in some way that just isn't happening.

    Fuck you, Microsoft. You guys have got to be the biggest bunch of jackasses in the industry.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 26, 2014 at 3:09 PM  

  • MSFT down 10% today!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 27, 2015 at 7:33 AM  

  • Apple kicks ass, Microsoft sucks ass. Too much Tandori Chicken in the Microsoft cafeterias.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 27, 2015 at 1:35 PM  

  • Vindication for Jeffries analyst John Difucci as Microsloth sinks to $40/sh.

    StreetInsider.com: Jefferies Starts Microsoft (MSFT) at Underperform

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at January 30, 2015 at 12:56 PM  

  • guess

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 8, 2015 at 9:15 PM  

  • guess who is mini ..... where is mini .... it was satya all the while.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 8, 2015 at 9:16 PM  

  • Showing some signs of hope in this latest (calendar year 2015 Q1) earnings report. Keep it up Microsoft!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 25, 2015 at 12:45 PM  

  • still hearing stories of stealth layoffs. And whole groups and teams being flattened to reduce costs and get rid of higher cost employees all together.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 6, 2015 at 4:24 PM  

  • New fiscal year, new mass layoffs.

    Chime in if you're affected.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 8, 2015 at 7:57 AM  

  • Hoping Mini posts a thread on the recently announced layoffs. I suspect a good portion of the cuts will come from within the US, despite what the Geekwire article relayed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 8, 2015 at 11:48 AM  

  • Devs (and what's left of the QA engineers) in the current combined Windows and Devices org are confused/nervous about these announcements, just hope WinPhone doesn't get chopped completely

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 9, 2015 at 8:28 AM  

  • By Blogger Technews Able, at July 20, 2015 at 11:59 PM  

  • Hey Mini, you still around? News of layoffs have been coming for months and now even more in the mobile and sales arena, yet you are quiet. I would have thought this would have generated something worth commenting on by you. Best wishes anyway.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 29, 2016 at 12:39 PM  

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